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this week's episode of the skeptics and

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podcast is dedicated to the memory of

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Grant Imahara a champion of science and

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reason and an inspiration to millions

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 614 for the 19th of July

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2020 wretched soul is here with you from

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Sydney Australia and it looks like it's

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going to be a nice sunny day coming up

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on this week's show we have an interview

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with my friend Apache Chanda from the

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rational podcast in India a quick update

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as to the covert 19 situation there and

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what effect if any and well no spoilers

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that homeopathy and Ayurvedic medicine

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have on this pandemic now one of the

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reasons I regularly check in with Apogee

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is that here in Australia the homeopathy

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plus outfit group gang business who

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really do think homeopathy is the answer

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to just about everything were although

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not so much now I've noticed

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we're trumpeting the fact that

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homeopathy was working so well in India

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and all eyes are on India and look at

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the great situation India sadly this is

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not the case following that it's the

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short story of a poor man stuck up a

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tree this is very confusing but we'll

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discover why a bit later on then we have

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the think tank and this week joining me

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in the think tank our special guests

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Lara Benham and Sydney Celestia ward

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from Las Vegas from the squaring the

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strange podcast and regular skeptics own

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reporters Michelle big asthma in

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Melbourne and Michelle Franklin in

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humpdy do it's a great sounding name in

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the Northern Territory and amongst the

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things we'll be discussing in the think

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tank is the our rageous occurrence of

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fake signs being placed in or on

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encouraging children to play together

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during a lockdown during the pandemic

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also a clothing company who received a

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massive fine for making false claims

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about their clothes in relation to

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covert 19 and the vast

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us on tour which really should be called

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the vexed bus now thank you to those

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people who take the time to write in to

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the skeptic zone via the best actually

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the best thing to do seriously is to go

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to the Facebook page and leave comments

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under the under the listing for the the

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episode that's that's so everybody can

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see it and things like that and to my

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friends in Japan I have a message if I

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I hope that Google Translate got that

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right but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs run downstairs and have a

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good old-fashioned cheese toastie cheese

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on toast actually the two different

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things I think cheese toastie is when

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you put cheese inside some bread and put

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it in a Crillon or a cheese press or a

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toasting machine or something and cheese

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on toast is when you put cheese on toast

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and microwave it for a few moments to

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make it all runny hmm I'll go downstairs

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and decide and while I do that I hope

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you enjoy the skeptic zone

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and joining me now all the way from New

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Delhi in India it's the host of the

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rational podcast abbaji Chanda hello

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Abba Jeet i Richard how are you doing I

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am doing okay doing okay I wish I could

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say that Australia was doing as well as

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we were doing some weeks back

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unfortunately you may have seen in the

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news there's been a quite a big

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resurgence of the virus in this country

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but yeah it's too bad well at least you

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guys have a resurgence and not and

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you've actually managed to come down so

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you know what has to be done

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we haven't even peaked at mmm it's very

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very troubling and can you please for

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our audience around the world could you

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tell us what the latest situation in

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India is yeah well this is definitely

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not for the home your pets wanted or

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expected but we have just hit a big

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milestone 1 million cases in fact it's 1

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million 3 1 million 3832 as of one hour

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ago how and it's it's frightening to say

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this but it's probably true that it

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would the number must surely be a lot

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more because in a country like India

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there would be enormous problems in

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getting really the correct numbers yeah

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exactly because we had this huge migrant

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crisis where the migrants wanted to get

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back home because living in the city

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with no work was too expensive and there

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were host of other problems and they

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were hoarding they were doing anything I

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mean I think I told you about this last

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time where people were trying to get

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back home and many of them dying on the

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journey because usually hundreds of

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kilometres and the government then has

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made initiatives to get them home but

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now that their home they have a lot of

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them I'm sure have spread the virus even

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deeper into the rural areas which is of

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course where a lot of cases probably are

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we still don't know about it well the

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reason that you say that you know

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despite what the homeopath say or what

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they've done or anything like that it's

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we really do want to make the point

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again and again that homeopaths

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especially in this country and probably

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other countries were saying look at

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India they're rolling out the homeopathy

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and they're doing so much better than

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the rest of the world

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you know homeopathy can treat and cure

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anything it's just wonderful and we can

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see by these horrible horrifying figures

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that it well why would shoot magic sugar

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and water make any difference at all

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exactly that it just doesn't and it

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hasn't in fact it's not whom the

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obviously that has been the problem now

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the homeopathy and that homeopathy

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doesn't work you know especially in this

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case and so the homeopathic the

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homeopathic community have been

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relatively quiet over the last month or

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two I think they had a little bit of a

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resurgence in me when we talked last

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time but now it's Ayurveda in the

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spotlight so recently there was this

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huge ruckus and I'm I'm actually quite

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heartened by the response that it got

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but not happy with the conclusion this

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is a huge FMCG Ayurvedic smc FMCG

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company called Patanjali Ayurveda which

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is started by a yogi called Baba Ramdev

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and when they were just about to release

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their mixtures and portions they said

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that this is going to be clean this is

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going to go through a clinical trial

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this is going to be an evidence-based

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Ayurvedic medicine that they had tested

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over a hundred people in hospital

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situations who had been diagnosed with

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kovat and it had a hundred percent

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success rate what yeah that was a

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mind-blowing and I mean I don't I think

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anybody would say that if that was true

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we would love to get our hands on that

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stuff yeah unfortunately they have never

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released a clinical trial and the

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details that came out of the clinical

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trial especially when it was ordered

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registration of the trial

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is that it was done on a hundred random

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people not all of them had been

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confirmed to over a hundred random

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people not all of them had been

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confirmed to have couvade yeah they were

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given the medication and then tested and

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they were also within the age brackets

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of around between 20 and 45 or 60 I

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don't remember the exact number but they

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were in the safe zone relatively

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speaking which means that they have a

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much higher chance of recovering even if

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they did have covered 19 but they

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weren't actually guaranteed to have it

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to have entered the test so

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unsurprisingly none of that came out

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that trial still hasn't seen the light

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of day and they have been running around

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all over the place fortunately the press

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has been very hard on them even the

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Ministry of Yosh which is supposed to

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have been the you know the Ministry of

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quackery that we have so we're sort of

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honoured to have yes they even they told

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these guys that you still haven't shown

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us a current clinical trial how are you

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taking these products to market this is

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false advertising yes this is not going

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to last long

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several states actually banned the

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product in the markets because they say

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this is a hoax this is a scam and it

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blew my mind because this this kind of

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thing has never happened in this country

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before we're an ayurvedic product comes

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out and it's been stopping it's been

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taken off the shelves and soon after

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that the spokespersons and this before

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Patanjali quickly said oh we never cure

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said that this was a cure we never said

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that it's just an immunity booster and

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so you can imagine the face palming and

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my face is bruised after all of that and

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it's been and this is this is such a

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textbook example of of illness it's a

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microcosm of the alternative medicine

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industry yeah where you have people

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trying to make big claims getting shut

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down and then backtracking to a safer

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more vague position called immunity

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boosting we get that

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yes boost your immunity I've seen it in

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a shopping mall near me there's a

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vitamin store and it says a big big

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poster boost your immunity and I've

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recently written a piece I have just

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released my first youtube video which is

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all about immunity boosting I would love

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for your viewers to go check it out

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mm-hmm

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and but one one thing which happened I

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interviewed dr. chanterelle a banker who

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I met at the si si con meeting in Vegas

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in 2018 and he said something which is

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very pithy he said that for kovat 19 you

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don't need an immunity booster because

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the people who are having the most

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extreme symptoms already have an immune

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system that's gone into overdrive and

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caused cytokine storm which is causing

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overall inflammation and that is why

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dexamethasone which has been recently

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discovered in the UK to have beneficial

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effects on people who have the extreme

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case of kovin 19 that is a steroid that

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lowers inflammation it modulates the

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immune system and that is what saves

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lives hmm so boosting immunity is

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exactly the opposite well in need but is

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have yourself from coffee it's

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interesting because it sounds so good

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doesn't it

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it's like giving yourself a shield or

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protection boost your immune system and

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you know the more power the super it's

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just quickly for those people who may

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not know exactly what we're talking

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about what is Ayurvedic medicine

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Ayurvedic medicine is is very closely

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connected to Indian culture because it

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is mentioned in the scriptures it is a

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there's an entire book in the scriptures

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dedicated to that it is thousands of

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years of preparations of herbal

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preparations that have been brought

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about from anything you can find in

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nature as medicines now that's great on

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the whole in principle that is what

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science used to be where you test out

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different ingredients and different

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materials that mean that's how we got as

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a

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from winning which is which comes from

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the tree bark we that's how we got

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aspirin from the willow bark but the

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problem is the methodology for Ayurveda

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has been frozen into a thousand years

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ago and it has never evolved since then

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at least a thousand years ago if not no

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and so a lot of it is untested a lot of

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them contain heavy metals like mercury

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and lead and you know other materials

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like moly bedlam etc which are still

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dangerous and a lot of people have

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reported in to have heavy metal

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poisoning after taking certain Ayurvedic

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preparations so now it's not

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evidence-based at all in fact if they

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had evolved along with modern medicine

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and said ok we need to make our

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processes more strict instead of

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sticking to Scripture hmm we have had

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might have had an entire school of real

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medicine

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and it might still be if we test them

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out but right now they're operating just

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like any other altmed scam well well

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you've certainly got a lot of work cut

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out for you there in India

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Abhijit I don't envy you that I mean I'm

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glad you're there and you know doing

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doing what you can do I'm very sorry to

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hear about those figures but it just it

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does reiterate for us that all these

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claims about Ayurvedic or homeopathy you

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know being in the forefront of India the

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fight of the covert virus in India are

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just just so much nonsense yeah and we

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are easily easily led on by a lot of the

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nonsense and those whatsapp messages

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though they have a lot of them have gone

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down we've had some good advertising and

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promotion of not forwarding

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misinformation so that has taken quite a

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bit of effect but there is a lot of it

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going around still and well I am trying

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to fight it in whatever way I can and

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spread information and good information

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instead of misinformation so fingers

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crossed that people are learning from it

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and you know I hope I hope we peek and

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start coming down soon because without

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that we are

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in deep doo-doo yeah yeah well it's

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funny I mean to hear a skeptics and I

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said I do it myself we say fingers

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but seriously fingers crossed for you

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and and the whole absolute subcontinent

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bits it's not a good situation at all

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how would you keep doing what you're

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doing folks the podcast is called it's

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the rational podcast our links to that

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and the other things that abbiejean

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mentioned will be in this week's show

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notes

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Abhijit let's catch up soon and

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hopefully there's a some better news

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thanks Richard stay safe stay at home

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and I hope Australia also recovers from

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all of this really soon as is for the

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rest of the world

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to the manager Yeti Bigfoot and other

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dear manager I am writing to you under

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somewhat difficult circumstances perched

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as I am half way up a tall tree in the

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middle of nowhere in a howling gale I

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have been waiting patiently here for the

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last three days in order to photograph

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the giant hairy human-like biped you

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assured me would appear so far however

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all I have seen a three tabby cats a

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sausage dog called Henry and an angry

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koala apparently a resident of this tree

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oh and two hikers although I will admit

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the taller of the two hikers did have a

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long beard please advise if the police

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helicopter now circling over head is

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part of the promised quote fun and

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excitement as mentioned when I booked

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this tour

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please come down out of the tree sir we

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have hot tea waiting for you and someone

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Neela's etc etc

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pS next time I think I will opt for your

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water monster experience listed as two

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days and nights in a warm bath tub join

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us now for drinking skeptically in the

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think tank I think we're all synced

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we're either we're synced aware Sun to

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everybody was sunk sucked

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I'd like to welcome you to another

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another session of the think tank here

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on the sceptic Zone joining us today we

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have in down south we have Michelle

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Vickers Mar hello Michelle hello hello

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everybody else it's good to be here and

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on the other on the flip side of the

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country way up north near humpty do in

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the Northern Territory we have Michelle

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Franklin are you going I'm doing as well

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as we can here in Sydney we have a

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special guest

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it's you've heard it before on the

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skeptic zone mainly in skeptics in the

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pub I think it's Lara Benham hello

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Richard hello

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and our special guest our other special

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guests today all the way from Las Vegas

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and I do miss Las Vegas it's from

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squaring the strange Celestia Ward hello

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[Laughter]

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we forget because we're all looking at

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each other so so sometimes we're doing

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facial expressions or nods and things

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instead of not nodding and smiling makes

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for great podcasting it does I mean that

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the audience I'm sure are amused to

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think what we're up to

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okay now a message from dr. Cassandra

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Perryman now as listeners may well

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remember on the last thing tank dr.

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Cassandra joined us to tell us about her

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and downs with covert 19 she actually

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had the the virus and I she was going to

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join us today and I just got a message

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to her saying that she's got a possible

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secondary infection or a flare-up or

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something and she's just just seeing

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what the doctor has to say so we wish

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her all the best hopefully it's not it's

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not too serious but that's why she can't

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join us right at the moment fair enough

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she's got some other things too to worry

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about now on last week's episode you

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would have heard Michelle Franklin

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talking about water divining and that

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item has got a little bit of feedback

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which is really nice so Michelle you're

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having issues with your bore bore water

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how's that going this is an ongoing

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thing for me so my bore is 29 years old

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I got it lifted about two years ago so

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that's when they pump air down into the

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hole and that forces all the water to

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spray out in this big geyser of red mud

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and all the iron ore and the dirt comes

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out and then it fills up again and we

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pulled the pump out of the hole

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yesterday the day before I think it's

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about 40 meters down my line well it's a

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little bit too high I need it to be a

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bit deeper we pulled it out of the hole

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and we found that the impeller is on the

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pump it just clogged with mucky red

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silty iron ore so that's down at the

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repair shop getting repaired so I'm on

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call at the moment waiting for the guy

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to bring the pump back to me so we can

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put it back down in the hole here and

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you didn't need to get awarded a vein or

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after all no well hopefully not once the

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pump is repaired and we put it back in

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the hole hopefully there's still some

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water down there I've got about five

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kilo liters left in my tank and it's not

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gonna rain until about November so Wow

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I'm really hoping that that hole keeps

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working for a little bit longer so well

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let's flip down to the other part of the

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country now in in Victoria Melbourne

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Michelle Vickers Mart Oh Deary me over

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the last week things have not been going

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so well with the the outbreak have they

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we're on day 10 of lockdown now and we

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had our record number of new cases

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yesterday at 428 which has alarmed

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people because it's during lockdown but

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it was always predicted to rise because

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the results you see on any given days

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indicate what was happening 10 days

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earlier so the other thing that means we

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shouldn't be alarmed is that spread has

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gone down so a single individual is no

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longer affecting that more people than

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they were before lockdown I'm not sure

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of the numbers exactly but I think it's

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maybe gone from rather than infecting

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two people let's down to infecting one

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that's how I basically understand it so

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while there are a total number of new

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cases that's higher

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the spread by individuals is lower so

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we're optimistic and it's been yeah a

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really different experience this time

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because we've locked out for this amount

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of time before and I think the first

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time it was a little bit novel people

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didn't know what to expect a lot of

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structures and supports had to be put in

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place and you know it was almost policy

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on the run really

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whereas this time there's more a feeling

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of despondency it's like oh here we go

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again we were so close you know to

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having it well under control and we got

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down to zero cases and now of course

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Victoria's broken away from the rest of

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the country in its number of cases and

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you know we're basically pretty unlucky

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with our hotel quarantine protocols

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broken by the security guards and

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they're quarantined return travelers in

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there

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but what you know this was not the only

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state where protocols were broken and

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happened in New Zealand as well we just

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happen to have the positive cases that

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got out into the community so Victorians

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some people are taking it personally

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that other states are treating us like a

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pariah

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oh dear State and feeling you know bad

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about that it's not personal though I

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don't think anyone should be worried it

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could happen anywhere and it's not about

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us as individuals it's just you know

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there were certain things that happened

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there's a less of a feeling of we're all

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in this together as it was a slogan we

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often heard the first time it's more

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apparent that we're not holding this

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together

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apart from Victoria being the only state

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where this is happening there were the

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hotspots suburbs that got locked down

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and I felt this was a good strategy that

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there were just hotspots suburbs lock

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down there was massive testing there was

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door knocking and tests brought to

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people and it seemed like we didn't have

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to lock down Melbourne or the whole

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whole state but I don't think those

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people enjoyed that particularly much

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and then of course the towers got locked

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down really hard with half an hour's

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notice and that certainly made people

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not feel like they were all in it

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together and now the whole of Greater

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Melbourne is locked down I think that

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feels more equitable to people I don't

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know that anyone resents that the

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country and right you know the regional

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areas are not locked down I think people

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feel it's fair enough that they don't

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have spread and that they should be able

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to stay open and probably helping

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sustain the economy in the state so

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that's quite a different feeling the

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00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:38,790
other thing that's a little bit

547
00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:40,050
different this time is the

548
00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:44,190
finger-pointing we didn't have that last

549
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:46,440
so it was previously it was the whole

550
00:26:52,420 --> 00:26:50,010
country really and it was returned to

551
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:52,430
our travelers in quarantine that's

552
00:26:57,580 --> 00:26:54,530
were the main cases everywhere but this

553
00:26:59,230 --> 00:26:57,590
time with the community spread and

554
00:26:59,950 --> 00:26:59,240
because it's we're going through it

555
00:27:02,470 --> 00:26:59,960
again

556
00:27:04,060 --> 00:27:02,480
there seems to be more blame being I

557
00:27:05,980 --> 00:27:04,070
think it's a lot easier to say it's not

558
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:05,990
our fault when it's people coming in

559
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,330
already carrying it yeah that's

560
00:27:12,730 --> 00:27:10,240
spreading within the community that's a

561
00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:12,740
that's a completely different thing yeah

562
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:15,140
and there's finger-pointing whether it's

563
00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:18,410
at the security guards the travelers who

564
00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:21,980
interacted with them the government for

565
00:27:28,750 --> 00:27:25,280
hiring private security firms instead of

566
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,760
the Australian Defence Force so there is

567
00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:30,320
that kind of finger-pointing

568
00:27:36,190 --> 00:27:32,270
and then it's like become a bit uglier

569
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:36,200
with it being concentrated initially in

570
00:27:43,390 --> 00:27:40,310
northwestern Melbourne and spread due to

571
00:27:46,150 --> 00:27:43,400
large family gatherings so then people

572
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:46,160
started pointing to ethnic minorities

573
00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:49,970
yeah so it's that's dot that seems to

574
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:52,070
have died down now I haven't really seen

575
00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:54,050
that for a while now that again melt

576
00:28:00,520 --> 00:27:56,870
Melbourne why'd the lockdown is

577
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:00,530
happening that finger-pointing seems to

578
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:04,370
be lessening it's more like oh well ten

579
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:07,840
days in we're just sucking it up now and

580
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:11,210
what you know there's just a more of a

581
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:13,250
quiet acceptance that there's something

582
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:16,010
that we have to go through here and that

583
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:17,660
we will come out the other side and

584
00:28:22,510 --> 00:28:20,810
hopefully I think get our numbers down I

585
00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:22,520
think that's what's every on everyone's

586
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:25,670
mind now that rapid increase in numbers

587
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:28,730
I mean last think-tank I was saying you

588
00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:32,240
know we were in double digits at 10:20 I

589
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:34,940
think that day it hit 40 later in the

590
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:40,610
day and now we are 428 from one side of

591
00:28:45,550 --> 00:28:43,250
the Pacific to the other and it's a

592
00:28:49,450 --> 00:28:45,560
completely different story in the United

593
00:28:51,580 --> 00:28:49,460
States and as we all know things aren't

594
00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:51,590
going terribly well how are things

595
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,230
looking in Las Vegas Celestia well they

596
00:28:57,970 --> 00:28:55,760
aren't going terribly well is a

597
00:29:00,100 --> 00:28:57,980
certainly one way to put it

598
00:29:03,370 --> 00:29:00,110
Michelle you mentioned feeling like a

599
00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:03,380
pariah because of a particular part of

600
00:29:06,090 --> 00:29:05,750
Australia doing worse than the rest of

601
00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:06,100
us

602
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,400
and well America is kind of taking that

603
00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:11,200
role in the whole world it looks like

604
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:13,990
and there's there's been some

605
00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:16,150
announcements about certain red zones

606
00:29:19,710 --> 00:29:17,620
and hey Nevada

607
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:19,720
my home state where I'm sitting talking

608
00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:24,250
to you right now from is a red zone what

609
00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:27,070
that means is that for that means we

610
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:31,270
have more than 100 cases per 100,000

611
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:32,130
people

612
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:36,880
so our believe we here in in las well I

613
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:38,710
don't it wasn't Las Vegas it was Nevada

614
00:29:44,370 --> 00:29:42,910
hit a new record of new cases yesterday

615
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,380
which for me on the other side of the

616
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:46,000
Pacific would be yesterday would be the

617
00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:49,450
16th of July it was thirteen hundred and

618
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:51,670
eighty cases ooh

619
00:29:57,930 --> 00:29:55,510
so now Vegas is a unique place and we're

620
00:29:59,970 --> 00:29:57,940
really kind of puzzling about what our

621
00:30:02,340 --> 00:29:59,980
future is going to be here because we've

622
00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:02,350
got a population that's just a bit over

623
00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:07,660
2.5 million but we are a giant siphon of

624
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:10,150
visitors and last year alone we had

625
00:30:17,550 --> 00:30:13,690
forty two point five million people pop

626
00:30:19,410 --> 00:30:17,560
in for a visit and drink and gamble and

627
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:19,420
spread their germs and in order to

628
00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:22,510
continue our tourism based economy we

629
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:23,620
would need the same sort of thing to

630
00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:26,500
happen and that's not going to happen

631
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:29,860
anytime soon Texas and Florida are

632
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,320
leading the pack and so Nevada isn't

633
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,480
quite as bad as they are right now as

634
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:37,840
far as alarming surges go but as I said

635
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:40,930
we are designated as one of the 18 red

636
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:44,730
zone states right now by a recent report

637
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:48,970
our governor is Steve's two CELAC issued

638
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:52,120
a mandate for masks everybody now has to

639
00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:54,850
wear masks in public places in Nevada a

640
00:31:00,810 --> 00:30:57,700
lot of states are doing that compliance

641
00:31:02,150 --> 00:31:00,820
in Nevada hasn't really been great I'm

642
00:31:04,290 --> 00:31:02,160
sure you guys have seen some of the

643
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:04,300
videos that have gone around social

644
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:07,810
media with the uppity Americans are

645
00:31:15,630 --> 00:31:11,550
refusing to comply with yes yes requests

646
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:15,640
and I think the governor had some sort

647
00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:17,710
of survey that that looked at what

648
00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:19,660
businesses were doing and

649
00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:22,150
less than half were complying it was it

650
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:24,670
was almost half it was like four at 49%

651
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:28,630
but that doesn't bode well so phase two

652
00:31:32,610 --> 00:31:30,700
which was kind of the you know the the

653
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:32,620
reopening of everything was supposed to

654
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,170
take place in phases and we got to Phase

655
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:37,840
two and then he announced that phase two

656
00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:39,910
was gonna last at least until the end of

657
00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:42,940
July and then he's rolled back and said

658
00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:45,430
that bars have to close so as of last

659
00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:47,080
Friday a lot of bars had to shut down

660
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:49,540
and restaurants had to limit the tables

661
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:52,810
to six people or fewer unsurprisingly

662
00:31:57,450 --> 00:31:55,090
experts have traced this back to July

663
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,460
fourth which that's not a holiday you

664
00:32:03,000 --> 00:31:58,720
guys really have to worry about in

665
00:32:06,510 --> 00:32:03,010
Australia but that was a big firework

666
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:06,520
exploding barbecue having socialization

667
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:09,940
drinking holiday out here and so that

668
00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:12,340
has led to a big surge weeks later

669
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:15,940
unsurprisingly yes I'm shocked I'm

670
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:17,290
shocked that you say that a lot of

671
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:19,870
people getting together in close company

672
00:32:24,930 --> 00:32:21,690
and having a great time and drinking and

673
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:24,940
merriment would result in in disease

674
00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:27,670
being it's almost like cause and effect

675
00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:31,270
comes as a surprise to people like I

676
00:32:37,530 --> 00:32:35,260
don't know kind so you're saying that

677
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,540
you're pretty much a big siphon of

678
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:39,840
tourists has that stopped

679
00:32:46,530 --> 00:32:42,910
let's do tourists around see that's the

680
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:46,540
thing the tourists we're getting are the

681
00:32:52,170 --> 00:32:49,330
people who don't put cause and effect

682
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:52,180
together we are getting a certain type

683
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:54,630
of tourists we are getting people from

684
00:32:59,490 --> 00:32:57,730
Southern California and Arizona who

685
00:33:01,740 --> 00:32:59,500
think that it who still think it's a

686
00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:01,750
hoax or at least think they're magical

687
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,580
enough to avoid it who don't think

688
00:33:09,210 --> 00:33:05,760
anybody should be locked down anywhere

689
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:09,220
who are gonna strike out and just see

690
00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:11,110
what they can what kind of fun they can

691
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:13,780
rustle up in Las Vegas and that's who

692
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:16,930
we're getting I don't think any really

693
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:19,840
sensible people in America are planning

694
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:23,440
a vacation to Las Vegas I would be

695
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:25,930
hopeful that in the future maybe three

696
00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:28,990
months or three years down the road we

697
00:33:32,830 --> 00:33:31,540
can have sensible people back but right

698
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:32,840
now

699
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:37,820
that they are catering to a clientele

700
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:41,710
right now of the the bold and the

701
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:44,720
insensible and they've just got to kind

702
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:46,730
of you know protect their employees and

703
00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:49,279
try to you know get there get there

704
00:33:54,999 --> 00:33:51,590
earnings and you know get the get the

705
00:33:58,570 --> 00:33:55,009
bar tabs paid but Vegas Las Vegas has

706
00:34:01,389 --> 00:33:58,580
built its entire fortune on a marketing

707
00:34:04,330 --> 00:34:01,399
campaign that encourages irresponsible

708
00:34:07,389 --> 00:34:04,340
behavior we've kind of invented that you

709
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:07,399
know yeah so we're kind of you know

710
00:34:11,169 --> 00:34:09,290
we're kind of we made the bed and now

711
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:11,179
we're having to lay in it

712
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,060
now my little personal circle I know a

713
00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:16,399
lot of people you know who are

714
00:34:22,569 --> 00:34:18,919
entertainers who are you know magicians

715
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:22,579
and comedians and DJs and stage managers

716
00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:25,129
and party organizers and people like me

717
00:34:30,099 --> 00:34:28,040
who booked out as convention Talent I'm

718
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:30,109
talking caricature artists jugglers

719
00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:34,159
booth babes and and a lot of us are

720
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,200
coming to grips with the fact that you

721
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:38,000
know some of us might not be able to

722
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:41,810
return to our jobs period I mean what I

723
00:34:46,569 --> 00:34:44,210
do I can pick up and do this five or ten

724
00:34:48,839 --> 00:34:46,579
years later but somebody who is a peak

725
00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:48,849
performance Cirque de Soleil Acrobat

726
00:34:54,309 --> 00:34:51,349
that's got a short window you don't do

727
00:34:57,819 --> 00:34:54,319
that for 25 years you do it while you're

728
00:34:59,920 --> 00:34:57,829
at the peak of your physical yeah well

729
00:35:02,950 --> 00:34:59,930
yeah you can't really do a lot of but

730
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:02,960
you can get it Vegas online so Cirque du

731
00:35:09,579 --> 00:35:06,230
Soliel managing to keep working by going

732
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:09,589
like remote doing lots of like look some

733
00:35:14,170 --> 00:35:12,230
some of my friends have lined up zoom

734
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,180
parties where they actually are drawing

735
00:35:18,309 --> 00:35:17,119
small corporate events via zoom much

736
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:18,319
like the way we're conducting a meeting

737
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:20,390
right now but I would just have my

738
00:35:25,089 --> 00:35:21,890
tablet I'd be drawing people and

739
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,099
emailing you the images I've booked one

740
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:28,400
of those parties so far and I am also

741
00:35:31,569 --> 00:35:30,140
doing just commissions and stuff like

742
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:31,579
that so I can fall back on that and I

743
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,650
also have you know it's a second career

744
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:35,599
a lot of a lot of people are looking at

745
00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:40,160
as as I've Anka Trump has announced find

746
00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:43,819
something new Americans find something

747
00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:45,790
new to do well there you go

748
00:35:54,410 --> 00:35:49,600
that also easy yeah so I can match both

749
00:36:02,580 --> 00:35:58,010
your family last year sometime yeah oh

750
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,590
well everyone needs a portrait done well

751
00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:05,200
I can tell you that I personally can

752
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:05,800
vouch for

753
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:08,170
Celestia's wonderful caricature work she

754
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:09,910
did one of me some years back which is

755
00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:12,280
on my business cards and Michelle big

756
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:14,620
Asma you've got a caricature by us

757
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:18,880
together I have drawn I have drawn many

758
00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:21,850
Australians remotely yes through the

759
00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:25,660
internet but yet but I am really I'm

760
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:27,460
really hoping that conventions and

761
00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:29,110
parties come back soon I do have a

762
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:32,020
wedding scheduled in August oh there it

763
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:34,660
is once again for fruit for listeners

764
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:45,460
this makes for great podcasting faces

765
00:36:52,050 --> 00:36:48,370
yeah funny face but I can say in all

766
00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:52,060
seriousness you your caricatures just

767
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:54,280
hit the spot I mean the one of me is

768
00:36:59,460 --> 00:36:56,290
just this so funny and flattering and

769
00:37:00,780 --> 00:36:59,470
the one of Michelle big as my I haven't

770
00:37:02,730 --> 00:37:00,790
seen the one of Michelle Franklin's

771
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,740
family closely but the one of Michelle

772
00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:04,480
biggest might you just got her to a tea

773
00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:06,460
and everybody who saw it was just bowled

774
00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:08,590
away you know no there yeah okay there's

775
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:15,400
the big family oh good grief so if

776
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:16,900
people or anyone here that doesn't have

777
00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:18,910
one but Celestia we'll talk about that

778
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:25,060
at the end but please send the what

779
00:37:29,130 --> 00:37:27,640
where can people go if I've got an

780
00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:29,140
online special that's still going I

781
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:31,990
think you have you have what's the word

782
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:34,140
I'm looking for I believe you have

783
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,730
advertised for me before Richard which I

784
00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:39,040
appreciate just I have two heads

785
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:42,580
studios.com it's a numeral two so number

786
00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:47,170
2 H gads s tu di OS dot-com you'll see a

787
00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:48,460
little link on there where you can send

788
00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:50,500
send a photo and I'm doing a I'm doing a

789
00:37:55,290 --> 00:37:52,600
low-cost special of $30 digital

790
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:55,300
caricatures for people that's that's

791
00:37:59,280 --> 00:37:58,240
helped pay some grocery bills but you

792
00:38:00,750 --> 00:37:59,290
know my husband and I were

793
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,760
talking today about okay well if this

794
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:03,040
goes on for like a year you know which

795
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:05,530
retirement account should we siphon

796
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:08,230
money out of it should we sell a car you

797
00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:10,210
know everybody's kind of looking at okay

798
00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:11,830
how long is this gonna last and of

799
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,420
course another option we'd be moving

800
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:16,480
moving I'm pretty sure Las Vegas is

801
00:38:21,780 --> 00:38:20,110
going to lose a lot of population over

802
00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:21,790
the next two years but I don't

803
00:38:25,110 --> 00:38:23,620
understand you live in Las Vegas I mean

804
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:25,120
they keep telling us if we go to Las

805
00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:26,770
Vegas we can you know have a great time

806
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:28,780
at the casino just go there and you can

807
00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:30,370
make lots of money in the tables right I

808
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:31,780
mean that's what they they tell

809
00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:35,200
everybody yes just don't touch anything

810
00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:36,520
while you're doing it don't touch

811
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:38,980
anything and keep your masks on anyway

812
00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:41,800
folks we can all recommend the wonderful

813
00:38:45,810 --> 00:38:43,840
caricature work of Celestia but let's

814
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:45,820
move on to some of the other topics that

815
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:48,640
though we've had put up here today to

816
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:52,240
chat about and a frightening a

817
00:38:58,980 --> 00:38:54,910
frightening subject came up just about a

818
00:39:03,690 --> 00:38:58,990
week ago where somebody in Melbourne put

819
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:03,700
up a fake sign on a local playground for

820
00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:06,850
children and I've got that and just

821
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:08,740
pulled that fake sign up it's

822
00:39:13,350 --> 00:39:12,010
frightening because this sign was the

823
00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:13,360
playgrounds are shut obviously because

824
00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:14,740
there's a lockdown and people being very

825
00:39:21,110 --> 00:39:17,800
cautious and careful and there's very

826
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:21,120
good reason for that city of kingston

827
00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:25,330
park opened in big green letters and it

828
00:39:30,990 --> 00:39:28,780
looks all very official kingston city

829
00:39:33,420 --> 00:39:31,000
council recognizes that a strong immune

830
00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:33,430
system is the best defense against the

831
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:36,340
current covert 19 threat and children

832
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:40,090
are the safest community group your

833
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:42,820
children can best maintain a healthy

834
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:46,380
immune system by the following tick

835
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:50,590
regular vitamin d tick regular physical

836
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:53,940
activity tick healthy eating habits

837
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:56,890
please observe all required social

838
00:40:02,040 --> 00:39:59,170
distancing measures while using this

839
00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:02,050
park equipment and there's a squiggly

840
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:05,800
signature with the name Georgina orgy

841
00:40:12,839 --> 00:40:12,160
Oxley mayor underneath our Aegis now

842
00:40:15,059 --> 00:40:12,849
anybody

843
00:40:17,279 --> 00:40:15,069
the skeptical ear I'm sure your ear

844
00:40:19,259 --> 00:40:17,289
perked up as soon as it said you know

845
00:40:22,769 --> 00:40:19,269
the best way to combat this is a healthy

846
00:40:25,229 --> 00:40:22,779
immune system yeah but yeah that's that

847
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:25,239
I lost me at healthy eating habits that

848
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:28,390
much more I was like hang on so that's

849
00:40:33,479 --> 00:40:30,660
made the news here is a report

850
00:40:36,539 --> 00:40:33,489
coronavirus melbourne fake playground

851
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:36,549
sign says children can use equipment and

852
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:38,529
it's been reported and I'll just play a

853
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:41,950
quick audio clip now from the local news

854
00:40:46,979 --> 00:40:44,710
about the subject a Melbourne Council

855
00:40:49,620 --> 00:40:46,989
has asked police to investigate fake

856
00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:49,630
covert 19 signs found at local

857
00:40:54,269 --> 00:40:52,329
playgrounds the signs falsely claimed

858
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:54,279
the City of Kingston has reopened

859
00:40:59,009 --> 00:40:56,890
playgrounds and contain misleading

860
00:41:01,049 --> 00:40:59,019
information about a strong immune system

861
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:01,059
being the best defense against

862
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,729
coronavirus Mayor Georgina Oxley says

863
00:41:07,739 --> 00:41:06,160
the signs put children's lives at risk

864
00:41:09,870 --> 00:41:07,749
by message for that person is that

865
00:41:12,029 --> 00:41:09,880
Victoria Police will be investigating

866
00:41:14,009 --> 00:41:12,039
this matter and keeps the council will

867
00:41:16,229 --> 00:41:14,019
be investigating this matter with CCTV

868
00:41:18,299 --> 00:41:16,239
footage that may be available in the

869
00:41:20,459 --> 00:41:18,309
locations so it's probably best that the

870
00:41:22,019 --> 00:41:20,469
person who is responsible for this that

871
00:41:23,299 --> 00:41:22,029
they turn themselves in because they are

872
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:23,309
putting lives at risk

873
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:26,650
yes it's just outrageous and the mayor

874
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:30,190
MS Oxley is quite quite beside herself

875
00:41:33,749 --> 00:41:32,529
about her name being used in this way

876
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:33,759
and the matter has been referred to

877
00:41:38,099 --> 00:41:34,630
police

878
00:41:41,819 --> 00:41:38,109
I mean who who who could we guess is

879
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:41,829
behind this no I'm unfamiliar with the

880
00:41:45,959 --> 00:41:44,049
laws in Australia there if the

881
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:45,969
perpetrator who's putting these signs up

882
00:41:51,809 --> 00:41:49,599
is found do you have any idea what sort

883
00:41:53,219 --> 00:41:51,819
of charges they would face well they

884
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,229
should be tarred and feathered but I'm

885
00:42:00,089 --> 00:41:56,079
not sure what the what the charges would

886
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:00,099
be I mean it's a face I'm cutting lore

887
00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:02,650
against oh yes and IDing somebody like I

888
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,180
don't know what that law is but there's

889
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:06,400
got to be one I'm kind of fraud or I

890
00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:10,630
mean a dangerous endangerment yeah I

891
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:12,700
mean it yeah I mean if they're

892
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,190
pretending it's official and it's not

893
00:42:19,739 --> 00:42:16,960
you know there's lies on it in the first

894
00:42:22,859 --> 00:42:19,749
place and they're pretending to be

895
00:42:26,310 --> 00:42:22,869
something that they're not impersonating

896
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:26,320
a announcer yeah

897
00:42:32,670 --> 00:42:29,170
specifically putting children in danger

898
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:32,680
I'd imagine any any group presiding over

899
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:34,870
such a thing would be inclined to go

900
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:37,330
with the heaviest penalty possible if I

901
00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:40,870
mean if they're endangering children as

902
00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:45,220
as they are hmm well doing much in the

903
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:47,560
way of enforcement in Melbourne are

904
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,400
people being fine for oh yes yes and

905
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,200
this and we've been hearing little

906
00:42:59,490 --> 00:42:56,400
anecdotes about people having parties

907
00:43:04,800 --> 00:42:59,500
and then being found hiding in cupboards

908
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:04,810
yeah because I did see that it becomes

909
00:43:08,610 --> 00:43:06,790
obvious yeah there was the one with it

910
00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:08,620
some kind of party in apartment with

911
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,540
that had the sex workers and that might

912
00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:11,920
have been even been the one where they

913
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:14,380
had too much Kentucky Fried Chicken but

914
00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:36,780
and and and of course the fact that you

915
00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:38,680
can't actually see this enemy there's

916
00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:40,300
lots of people keep saying the invisible

917
00:43:43,650 --> 00:43:42,100
enemy and when you're walking around the

918
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:43,660
street just people look like people

919
00:43:48,450 --> 00:43:46,510
they're not having big green signs on

920
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:48,460
them or their hair's not turned blue or

921
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:51,610
something like that so it's it's one of

922
00:43:58,050 --> 00:43:54,640
the what's the word insidious aspects of

923
00:44:00,120 --> 00:43:58,060
this this situation we have and another

924
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:00,130
aspect has come to our attention and

925
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:03,160
luck luckily there's a I guess is a good

926
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:05,650
outcome actor you'll find this one

927
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:07,390
interesting celesta you get a laugh out

928
00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:12,070
of this jane activewear retailer Lorna

929
00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:15,580
Jane fined nearly $40,000 over mmm

930
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:17,620
antivirus clothing line including

931
00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:21,930
underwear I think Wow

932
00:44:31,410 --> 00:44:24,760
this is brilliant it's kind of like the

933
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,420
Mormons hey now just to be clear this is

934
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:33,760
an active wear for your face

935
00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:35,050
this isn't like something you wear over

936
00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:37,000
your nose and mouth right this is like

937
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:38,230
leggings and

938
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:41,650
sports bras and shirts and yeah this is

939
00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:43,630
a range that they have been they've

940
00:44:47,490 --> 00:44:45,550
apparently worked a lot of two years

941
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:47,500
yeah they've apparently but the company

942
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:48,850
themselves have worked apparently for

943
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:51,160
the last two years to develop chemical

944
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:52,930
free treatment that when applied to

945
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:55,180
active wear protects the wearers against

946
00:45:00,570 --> 00:44:58,330
viruses and bacteria they call it el glj

947
00:45:03,390 --> 00:45:00,580
shield technology and they claim that

948
00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:03,400
it's got these LJ shield particles in it

949
00:45:08,070 --> 00:45:05,380
and I'm just gonna read one quote from

950
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:08,080
the website which says LJ shield breaks

951
00:45:13,650 --> 00:45:10,570
through the membrane shell of any toxic

952
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:13,660
diseases bacteria or germs that come

953
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:15,970
into contact with it not only killing

954
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:17,590
that microbe but preventing it from

955
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:21,130
multiplying into any more grief they

956
00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:22,900
need to tell us how they do that because

957
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:25,000
that sounds they don't that's why

958
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:26,410
they've just been fined forty thousand

959
00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:27,970
dollars oh no they tell you how they do

960
00:45:34,590 --> 00:45:31,660
it they do it chemically free but it's

961
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,600
yeah Wow my you guys again this is great

962
00:45:42,270 --> 00:45:36,640
podcasting you can't see the fact that

963
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:42,280
my jaw has been just hanging open here

964
00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:45,210
that advertisement wow it's unbelievable

965
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:48,070
now will they have they been put out of

966
00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:50,530
business with this lawsuit or is this

967
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,230
just a blip just happened this has just

968
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,880
happened so it was on the news like

969
00:46:00,330 --> 00:45:57,280
within the last week and I think it was

970
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:00,340
only yesterday possibly yeah Friday the

971
00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:03,780
17th hear that the TGA infringement

972
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:05,800
whatever they call it press release went

973
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:08,170
out saying that they find them

974
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:11,410
so like I'm really happy with the speed

975
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:13,450
with which the TGA have acted here

976
00:46:16,170 --> 00:46:14,650
that's probably the only good thing

977
00:46:17,250 --> 00:46:16,180
about this that's why we can have a bit

978
00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:17,260
of a laugh about what they've actually

979
00:46:23,099 --> 00:46:20,080
written there and yeah hopefully it's

980
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:23,109
gonna be a bit of a lesson for other

981
00:46:27,090 --> 00:46:24,970
companies who are trying to jump on the

982
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:27,100
bandwagon and take advantage I wonder if

983
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:29,650
people bought it I wonder if yes I had

984
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:33,790
yeah dude my reckon yesterday I mean I

985
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:37,140
have to take mine back to the shop I

986
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:39,160
haven't got the actual article in front

987
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:40,390
of me but there was another bit on there

988
00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:42,190
which said who had been looking into it

989
00:46:45,450 --> 00:46:44,200
said that the only way that this is

990
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:45,460
going to protect you is if you actually

991
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:47,050
wrap the leggings around your face and

992
00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:52,950
okay now to to round off our last topic

993
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:55,360
on on the agenda here and it's sort of

994
00:47:00,030 --> 00:46:56,770
to do with everything's to do with

995
00:47:01,170 --> 00:47:00,040
covert 19 these days oh yes here we go

996
00:47:04,350 --> 00:47:01,180
the VAX

997
00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:04,360
2-buss is now starting its tour of

998
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,240
australia yeah they're following what

999
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:08,800
happened in the United States with the

1000
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:11,410
VAX bus it's a big black bus with the

1001
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:13,810
word vast written on in huge letters and

1002
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:16,030
it also carries the logo of the

1003
00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:18,490
Australian vaccination risks network

1004
00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:19,780
which used to be called the Australian

1005
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:22,600
vaccination skeptics next network which

1006
00:47:28,050 --> 00:47:24,730
is to be called just the Australian

1007
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,060
vaccination Network long history with

1008
00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:30,400
the the skeptics fighting these people

1009
00:47:36,450 --> 00:47:33,460
but this appeared in a local newspaper

1010
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:36,460
not long ago up in on the north coast I

1011
00:47:40,350 --> 00:47:38,830
think of of this state New South Wales

1012
00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:40,360
up near Queensland and the bus is

1013
00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:43,420
currently in Queensland and says how do

1014
00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:47,230
you react to vaccines we all react

1015
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,960
differently to medications eg some

1016
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:51,760
people are allergic to penicillin

1017
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:54,910
it's the same with vaccines they are

1018
00:48:00,930 --> 00:47:57,760
medications that are dangerous to some

1019
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:00,940
people and not to others the a the end

1020
00:48:05,460 --> 00:48:03,000
argue that our government has been

1021
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:05,470
silencing the voices of Australians

1022
00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:08,170
whose health has been adversely affected

1023
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:11,260
by vaccines for years this month the AVN

1024
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,350
are launching the Australian VAX bus to

1025
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:17,680
amplify the voices of the vaccine

1026
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:22,000
injured the bus is a mobile film studio

1027
00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:25,630
a screening facility a memorial for

1028
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:27,430
children who have been injured or killed

1029
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:30,610
by vaccines the celebration of healthy

1030
00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:34,380
unvaccinated children it goes on with a

1031
00:48:40,050 --> 00:48:37,600
link so you can register and link to

1032
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:40,060
them or see more about it and the

1033
00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:41,440
Australian skeptics just sent out a

1034
00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:46,180
press release to - hopefully for war and

1035
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:49,000
for our media and councils and stuff so

1036
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:50,470
this is something we're facing at the

1037
00:48:55,530 --> 00:48:52,270
moment the VAX bus we should have a

1038
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:55,540
skeptic zone bus I think I was just

1039
00:49:00,030 --> 00:48:56,770
gonna say I wonder how much it would

1040
00:49:01,950 --> 00:49:00,040
cost to raise money for a for a Kovan 19

1041
00:49:02,730 --> 00:49:01,960
awareness bus to just follow this one

1042
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:02,740
around

1043
00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:06,250
right tailgated now but and and this has

1044
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,540
happened in the states I mean this is

1045
00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:08,800
their copying what's happened in the

1046
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,470
states the VAX bus and unsuspecting

1047
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:13,839
parents will turn up you know that

1048
00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:15,430
they've got a good run on the media

1049
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:17,320
unfortunately after the hard work of

1050
00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:19,630
people like our reporter dr. H E dr.

1051
00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:22,030
Rachel Dunlop in stopping media the

1052
00:49:26,370 --> 00:49:24,070
media contacting these people they're

1053
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:26,380
not the power they used to be but maybe

1054
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:28,450
like covert 19 if we let our guard down

1055
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:31,030
these people can make a resurgence have

1056
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,560
they said where they're gonna go like

1057
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:33,760
are they gonna go to inner-city

1058
00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:36,790
Melbourne and set up shop there well at

1059
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,070
the moment I I'm not exactly sure how

1060
00:49:43,470 --> 00:49:41,440
the tool is working I think it's a bit

1061
00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:43,480
secretive until they get near and then

1062
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:45,790
they let their local people know or

1063
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:48,130
something like that obviously they're

1064
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:49,630
not going to be going to Victoria

1065
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:52,210
anytime soon I think the tour is more or

1066
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:53,530
less Queensland but it could come down

1067
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:56,170
into into New South Wales how are they

1068
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,210
managing that with borders border

1069
00:50:03,089 --> 00:50:00,240
restrictions and borders being closed

1070
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,099
how are they do they get around that I

1071
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:05,200
think a lot of the borders have opened

1072
00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:07,630
up now haven't they so or if they're not

1073
00:50:11,370 --> 00:50:09,070
then you just have to quarantine when

1074
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,380
you first go through if you're in but if

1075
00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:13,359
they do if they've started in Queensland

1076
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:15,190
at the moment they have pretty much free

1077
00:50:20,099 --> 00:50:18,130
range to roam around Queensland yeah I

1078
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:20,109
mean our borders were never a hundred

1079
00:50:24,450 --> 00:50:22,030
percent shut you just had to quarantine

1080
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:24,460
after you come in so you'd have to go

1081
00:50:28,859 --> 00:50:26,500
into a hotel for two weeks and then you

1082
00:50:30,750 --> 00:50:28,869
could go free and do what you like after

1083
00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:30,760
that I suspect we'll be hearing more

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00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:32,950
about this in the coming weeks know what

1085
00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:34,690
what's what they're up to but we hope I

1086
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:37,030
mean we hope this this alert that we've

1087
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:39,609
sent out outlining all the times that

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00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:41,290
they've been using crazy conspiracy

1089
00:50:45,089 --> 00:50:42,609
theories and saying outrageous things

1090
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,099
especially with Cove at 19 I mean it's

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00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:47,680
hoped that it can make a difference and

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00:50:51,060 --> 00:50:49,300
I'm just looking at a picture now it's

1093
00:50:53,070 --> 00:50:51,070
not hard to see folks if you just google

1094
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:53,080
VAX Bass Australia you can see a big

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00:50:57,630 --> 00:50:55,330
picture of it's it's a huge black bus

1096
00:50:59,339 --> 00:50:57,640
and it's got media facilities and we

1097
00:51:00,990 --> 00:50:59,349
also wonder that if people are coming

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00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:01,000
into the visit this bus and chat are

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00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:03,250
they observing correct social distancing

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00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,650
some probably not we think the same

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00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:07,359
people that are going to Vegas aren't

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00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:10,150
they people that are thinking that it's

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00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,390
a home I wonder if they would come to

1104
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:15,280
Victoria if they were allowed to and

1105
00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:17,750
check out our hot

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00:51:21,069 --> 00:51:19,460
but I don't think they're lying are they

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00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:21,079
I think they genuinely believe what they

1108
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,970
say so there probably would be perfectly

1109
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:25,520
happy to go there oh yeah I'm sure a lot

1110
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:27,470
of these people actually truly and

1111
00:51:31,660 --> 00:51:29,510
sincerely believe that it's largely a

1112
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,670
hoax or it's overblown or it's not that

1113
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,200
serious or it's an attempt by the

1114
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:35,359
government to suppress people or on and

1115
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:37,730
on and on I'm just massively wonder

1116
00:51:44,050 --> 00:51:42,079
sorry about whether these people who I

1117
00:51:45,579 --> 00:51:44,060
know there's a variety of reasons why

1118
00:51:48,010 --> 00:51:45,589
people are believing that this is a hoax

1119
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:48,020
but there is an unnatural amount of

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00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:49,930
stuff on the internet about that

1121
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:52,910
obviously false information but you

1122
00:51:56,740 --> 00:51:55,010
start to see stories now about you know

1123
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,750
this this person believed it was a hoax

1124
00:52:00,849 --> 00:51:58,880
but then their sons given them Cove it

1125
00:52:03,099 --> 00:52:00,859
and and then they died you know people

1126
00:52:05,170 --> 00:52:03,109
are dying people that genuinely believed

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00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:05,180
that it wasn't that Cove it wasn't even

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00:52:08,980 --> 00:52:07,730
didn't even exist and I wonder how much

1129
00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:08,990
of that is going to happen before people

1130
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:13,190
actually change their minds oregan it'll

1131
00:52:17,470 --> 00:52:15,170
have to be a fair bit because I've seen

1132
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:17,480
a few posts of you know screenshots of

1133
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:19,730
the people's posts saying that I believe

1134
00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:22,010
it and then there are bitchu Ares but it

1135
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:23,300
would be so easy to say oh well that

1136
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:26,810
guy's fake yeah people it needs to be

1137
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,599
somebody that they directly know yeah it

1138
00:52:33,309 --> 00:52:31,040
needs to be somebody that's in their

1139
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:33,319
family yeah well there's there's just a

1140
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:34,970
certain segment of the population where

1141
00:52:39,790 --> 00:52:37,849
you need to know somebody directly who

1142
00:52:43,089 --> 00:52:39,800
has the ID you need one of your close

1143
00:52:44,650 --> 00:52:43,099
relatives or close friends too and not

1144
00:52:46,540 --> 00:52:44,660
just get it and recover because that

1145
00:52:49,569 --> 00:52:46,550
reinforces the idea that oh it's just

1146
00:52:51,250 --> 00:52:49,579
like a minor flu you know and you know I

1147
00:52:53,530 --> 00:52:51,260
hope humanity doesn't get to the point

1148
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:53,540
where everybody on earth has got a close

1149
00:52:59,020 --> 00:52:55,310
friend or relative that has died of this

1150
00:53:02,380 --> 00:52:59,030
but you know if we keep going we

1151
00:53:04,510 --> 00:53:02,390
hopefully hopefully enough of us will be

1152
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,520
a critical mass of people that do take

1153
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:07,040
things seriously yes we live in strange

1154
00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:10,490
times but luckily enough the people I'm

1155
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:12,950
talking to are also strange and I'd like

1156
00:53:18,220 --> 00:53:16,310
to thank each and every one of them way

1157
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:18,230
up there in the Northern Territory with

1158
00:53:22,809 --> 00:53:20,510
noodle the snake hanging around the

1159
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:22,819
office somewhere Michelle Franklin thank

1160
00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:25,400
you very much thank you rigid right here

1161
00:53:27,819 --> 00:53:27,380
in Sydney not too far from where I am at

1162
00:53:29,860 --> 00:53:27,829
the moment

1163
00:53:31,450 --> 00:53:29,870
Lara Benham thank you

1164
00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:31,460
thank you so much down there in

1165
00:53:33,970 --> 00:53:33,350
Melbourne in lockdown and we hope things

1166
00:53:36,370 --> 00:53:33,980
get better

1167
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:36,380
Michelle big asthma thank you thank you

1168
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:38,510
very much for having me today and Viva

1169
00:53:45,340 --> 00:53:42,110
Las Vegas Celestia Ward thanks Richard

1170
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:45,350
stay strange and stay safe oh speaking

1171
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:47,810
of that just before we go squaring the

1172
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,210
strange your fabulous podcast you do

1173
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:52,160
with Pasquale and Ben how's that going

1174
00:53:58,660 --> 00:53:54,950
it's helping to keep me sane it is

1175
00:53:59,550 --> 00:53:58,670
something to do and I think that says a

1176
00:54:02,110 --> 00:53:59,560
lot

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00:54:03,730 --> 00:54:02,120
I'll vouch for squaring the strange as

1178
00:54:05,290 --> 00:54:03,740
well it's the first podcast that I

1179
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,300
started listening to at the beginning

1180
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,520
when they started it and it's still one

1181
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:09,680
of my favorite Oh Thank You Michelle

1182
00:54:14,650 --> 00:54:12,740
it's a great podcast but for this week

1183
00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:14,660
cheers everybody holding up my coffee

1184
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:17,390
cup everybody's looking for the coffee

1185
00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:22,010
cup no cheese usually when you say it's

1186
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:23,390
five o'clock somewhere it's just a

1187
00:54:27,550 --> 00:54:25,130
saying but it actually is five o'clock

1188
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:27,560
here in Las Vegas so oh that's good

1189
00:54:33,220 --> 00:54:30,260
enough for me I'm off to my fridge not

1190
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:33,230
the bar it's time to run downstairs to

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00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:54,230
[Music]

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00:54:57,980 --> 00:54:55,570
[Applause]

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00:54:59,570 --> 00:54:57,990
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1194
00:55:00,860 --> 00:54:59,580
sound and thank you very much to Michele

1195
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:00,870
biggest Meyer in Melbourne Michele

1196
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:03,540
Franklin in humpdy do I just like saying

1197
00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:06,800
the word Lara Benham here in Sydney and

1198
00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:09,180
Celestia Ward in Las Vegas from the

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00:55:14,060 --> 00:55:11,550
fabulous squaring the strange podcast

1200
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:14,070
great to have you in this week's think

1201
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:15,810
tank and I think we'll be doing another

1202
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:18,090
thing think I think when we think about

1203
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:21,180
it in a 2 or 3 weeks thank you to those

1204
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:22,920
people who continue to support the

1205
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:24,890
skipper's owned by your regular

1206
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:28,740
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1207
00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:30,300
appreciated thank you to those new

1208
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:32,550
people who've just come on board to help

1209
00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:34,950
support the sceptic zone and I well I

1210
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:37,470
had an exciting week I must say folks in

1211
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:39,090
the past week I actually managed to

1212
00:55:43,070 --> 00:55:40,530
score a full day's work in the

1213
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:43,080
entertainment industry a TV production

1214
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:46,220
and that's the first one I've done in

1215
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:49,410
well many months so that was a most

1216
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:51,540
welcome thing to happen it's very

1217
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:54,590
encouraging that productions might be

1218
00:55:59,090 --> 00:55:56,850
starting to kick up again ramped up

1219
00:56:00,860 --> 00:55:59,100
again I hope so but that was the first

1220
00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:00,870
day's work I've had in many many months

1221
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:03,780
so you can possibly understand how much

1222
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:06,720
I do appreciate people who chip in and

1223
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:08,850
contribute to the skeptic zone because

1224
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:11,700
it really I can't tell you how much it

1225
00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:15,090
really does help help me and help bring

1226
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:18,060
the skeptic zone out to everybody every

1227
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:20,310
week coming up on next week's show more

1228
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:21,780
logical fallacies with Michelle because

1229
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:23,700
more in fact the one that I was going to

1230
00:56:28,340 --> 00:56:26,070
play today I've held over until next

1231
00:56:31,070 --> 00:56:28,350
week I think there's another book of Tim

1232
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:31,080
with Tim Mendham coming up another case

1233
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,430
of somebody writing a letter on a

1234
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:35,040
typewriter we'll see about that and as

1235
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:38,130
ever well I don't know it's it depends

1236
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:42,630
on what the week will bring but for this

1237
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:44,490
week with some strange birds singing

1238
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:47,220
outside I wonder what those skeptics own

1239
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:48,930
cats are they were knocking on the door

1240
00:56:57,020 --> 00:56:50,970
a minute ago this is Richard Saunders

1241
00:57:02,430 --> 00:56:59,520
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00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:02,440
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00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:09,130
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00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:32,920
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00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:35,050
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00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:37,390
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1255
00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:39,190
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1256
00:57:52,850 --> 00:57:50,930
and it I'm sorry I've got this cat who

1257
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:52,860
just won't leave me alone she's been on

1258
00:57:58,220 --> 00:57:55,740
my leg oh yeah she's right behind come

1259
00:58:02,420 --> 00:57:58,230
here come on come on wanna run around

1260
00:58:03,860 --> 00:58:02,430
like they're insane yeah they are not

1261
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:03,870
running around at the moment

1262
00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:07,020
Oh Oh eyes on the door and the cat

1263
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:08,790
segment of the talking everyone always

1264
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:12,000
has a cat to produce I don't know -

1265
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:17,040
meowing at the door I have your new

1266
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:18,630
echidna can everybody hear this can

1267
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:22,110
everybody hear them that's amazing you

1268
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:24,690
have an actual danger noodle out yeah

1269
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:26,760
well he's not very dangerous he's

1270
00:58:29,330 --> 00:58:27,570
harmless

1271
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:29,340
look here he is no he won't come out and

1272
00:58:35,330 --> 00:58:33,180
say hello that is so Wow I'll give you a

1273
00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:35,340
guess what his name is Celestia I reckon

1274
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:38,550
you'll get it my kids named him his name

1275
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:42,720
is noodle noodle it all seems so pretty

1276
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:47,090
Oh danger noodle yeah danger little

1277
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:49,410
sorry about that I had to kick the cat